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On the October 3rd edition of ABC’s talkshow “The View”, liberal icon and stalwart Whoopi Goldberg took the network’s token non-liberal to task for saying Hillary Rodham Clinton’s proposal to give $5,000 'Baby Bond' program might help reduce abortions in America.[1] How dare Hasselbeck, or anyone else for that matter, suggest a reduction in abortions in America!

Whoopi took the opportunity to challenge Hasselbeck, asking if her was ever in a position to consider having an abortion. Hasselbeck said “Never.” Whoopi took this as a queue to lecture the much younger Hasselbeck:

GOLDBERG: Elisabeth, Elisabeth, can I ask you one question–can I ask you a question? I just have to ask you this question since you opened this door.
HASSELBECK: Sure
GOLDBERG: Have you ever been in a position to have to make that decision?
HASSELBECK: Never, never.
GOLDBERG: Okay, then back off a little bit. Back off a little bit. Very few people want to have abortions.
HASSELBECK: I'm sure they don't.
GOLDBERG: See, I was listening.
HASSELBECK: I was just affirming what you said.
GOLDBERG: Most people do not want to have abortions. Most women do not have them with some sort of party going on. It is the hardest decision that a woman ever- wait- ever has to make. So, when you talk about it, a little bit of reverence to the women out there who have had to make this horrible decision. And one of the reasons that, that we have had to make this decision is because so many women were found bleeding, dead, with hangers in their bodies because they were doing it themselves. The idea of this was to make it safe and clean. That was the reason the law came into effect. That was why it was done.
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Goldberg’s pro-abortion tirade was met with enthusiastic applause.

It should be noted that WG’s “very few people want to have abortions” means little when 50 million preborn children are dead in the 34 years since Roe v. Wade became the law of the land.

I agree with Whoopi that most women do not want to have an abortion. It is a horrible option. It is a terrible thing to kill one's offspring. Granted, there is the odd woman who takes abortion casually, and may have had five or six abortions and even made jokes about it, but they are rare and hard-hearted birds.

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Goldberg’s coathanger reference harkens back to the late 1960s fictitious claims by abortion advocates -- based on zero statistics – that at least a million or so illegal abortions occurred annually in America. The actual average number of illegal abortions from 1940-1967 was 98,000. Groups like the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws (NARAL) were over-estimating the abortion numbers by over 1,000 percent!


They said that 5,00 to 10,000 deaths annually resulted from illegal abortions. Was this true? No. For the 8 years prior to and including the year of the infamous Roe V. Wade, the actual numbers were:
  • 235 in 1965,
  • 189 in 1966,
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This was an average of 131 maternal deaths annually. This was a tragedy to be sure but a far cry from the 5,000 – 10,000 maternal death NARAL fed to public and the media eager to report anything promoting abortion.

We must understand that making abortion legal does not make it safe. In the years after Roe v. Wade, 1.5 million abortions occurred annually. Over 50 million American children have been aborted before they ever saw the light of day.

It would be interesting to know how many women have died after Roe v. Wade. Although it’s difficult to ascertain, the American Life League in Stafford Virginia has amassed a long and exhaustive list of women who have died because of complications from abortions. Absolutely tragic!

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After Canada's king of abortion, Henry Morgentaler, set up one of his lucrative abortion clinics in Edmonton, an local Obstetrician/Gynecologist shared with me that local hospital Emergency departments experienced a sharp increase in abortion-related complications. I asked why this had not come out into the open. He retreated back into his shell. Apparently the Gynecological community is a timid lot who would rather have quietly continued repairing damaged women than face the wrath of local pro-abortion press like the Edmonton Journal.

In a strange and perverted way, many local doctors were glad to see Henry come to town and do the dirty business of an abortionist (oops, "abortion provider") and let real doctors be healers rather than baby killers.

Abortionists with lowest criminals

Abortionists are society’s scum. They prey on desperate women and kill their children for money. At a different time they would considered amongst amongst the lowest of criminals. The women are left to deal with the guilt of having sacrificed their children in a desperate and terrible moment.

No, Whoopi, we should neither “revere” women who abort their children, or the abortionist who does the despicable deed. Civilized societies must view abortion with disdain not reverence. It kills a child in utero and scars the mother – sometimes physically, often emotionally, always spiritually.

Civilized societies must have pity and compassion for women victimized by abortion, but never revere what they have done in an irrational and desperate moment. Love the victimized mother, mourn the death of her child that the abortionist has destroyed. Work to make abortion a crime that it once was so abortionist (not their victims) can be jailed.

Abortion is an evil in society, and an attack on individual human dignity, the common good and our collective humanity.

Mark Pickup
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[1]Peter J. Smith, "First Barry Manilow, Now Whoopi Goldberg Hassle The View's Hasselbeck over Conservative/Pro-Life Views: Goldberg, who is said to have had at least 6 abortions, says, “Americans ought to ‘revere’ women who have had abortions,” October 4th 2007, LifeSite News.com, (see http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07100410.html ) For story on Clinton Baby Bond see “Hillary Clinton proposes $5,000 ‘Baby Bond’”, Associated Press September 28th 2007, (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298504,00.html)
[2] Transcript courtesy of LifeSite News (http://www.lifenews.com/nat3364.html ). See video of exchange at(See video of this exchange at (http://ianschwartz.com/2007/10/03/video-whoopi-teaches-elizabeth-about-the-necessity-of-abortion/)

[3] Horan & Mall, New Perspectives on Human Abortion 80 (1981) (abortion-related maternal deaths).

51 comments:

L Connelly said...

I always find statistics interesting. I would be interested in knowing the number of deaths of women that have occurred as a result of legal abortions since Roe v Wade. Given the growing issue of unsafe abortion clinics I wonder if the pre Roe v Wade numbers pale in comparison to the numbers now.

GrannyGrump said...

So, when you talk about it, a little bit of reverence to the women out there who have had to make this horrible decision.

REVERENCE?!?!?! We're supposed to look on these women as HOLY?

What kind of priorities does this chick have, that she thinks resorting to an abortion makes you entitled to REVERENCE?

GrannyGrump said...

I notice the total lack of concern Whoopie has for women who die horrible deaths from legal abortions. How about Sharon Hamplton, who was shoved out the door to bleed to death in the back seat of her mother's car on the drive home, clutching her 3-year-old son in her arms? This happened in California, where Whoopie surely spends a lot of time. Did this chick shed a single tear over this woman and her motherless child and devastated parents?

I'll believe that abortion cheerleaders like Whoopie Goldberg care about whether or not women live or die when they're just as outraged over real women dying right now as they get over hypothetical women who might die if we don't let quacks like the guy who killed Sharon practice with impunity.

Mark Pickup said...

Dear Grannygrump: Thank you! You comments were most welcome. I encourage readers to click on Sharon Hampton in Grannygrump's note. See the list of women who died from abortion complications listed on the right side of the web page. That's just the 1990s! What about the 70s and 80s and the last 7 years of the 21st Century!

Mark Pickup

T E Fine said...

Dear Granny Grump,

What kind of logical comeback did Elizabeth bring out?

"It's a tragedy and a horrible thing, I agree, but why is it that any girl has to *be* in that position in the first place? Who didn't teach her about her responsibility to herself to take care not to get in a bad situation?

"Furthermore, why wasn't that girl's family there to support her? Where were her mother and father, her sisters and brothers, aunts and uncles? Why weren't they working together to help her raise her child, to give it a loving family? Was taking the time to help out such a burden to them that they had to support no other decision but killing one of their own?

"And what about the father in all this? Hasn't he been taught that he has a responsibility to himself and to the woman he got pregnant? As a man, doesn't he have a sense of duty and pride that makes him want to do all he can to protect his unborn child? Shouldn't he take responsibility for the woman in his life? Or is he the one complaining about how it's going to interfere with *his* dreams and *his* happy life and pushing her to have the abortion?"

Why didn't anyone call Whoopie on how people are shrugging off their responsibilities to other people just so they can be selfish and have more "freedom?"

Mark Pickup said...

Tabitha: What girl are you referring to?

MP

GrannyGrump said...

TEF, I've said elsewhere that having abortion legal and readily available makes it much easier for everybody else to bail on the woman. After all, perservering in the "difficult" pregnancy becomes a burden she "chooses", and this lets everybody else off the hook.

This is called "empowering the woman". With a straight face.

Screwtape triumphs again.

GrannyGrump said...

BTW, I connelly, we don't know how many women die, because nobody's really counting. They go through the motions and spout data, but a woman would practically have to crawl to Atlanta and die in the CDC's offices with her abortion aftercare instructions still clutched in her hands to have her death noticed by the people we're paying to notice such things.

T E Fine said...

Mark:

Sorry about the weirdness of that last post - I was typing at my laptop and cooking dinner at the same time.

It *should* have read, "Why didn't Elizabeth say something like this:

'Take a hypothetical college-age female in a steady relationship with her boyfriend. Now, let's say she's in a bad position where she has a choice between keeping or aborting an unexpected baby.'"

Then it should have kept going. Blah. Never try to multitask when you aren't good at it.

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